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Religion vs Science, the relevance to the gender politics confrontation

The main difference between religion and science is the nature of the response to our curiosity drive.

I have pointed out (Stokoe 2020) that the animal nature in us, called by Freud, the pleasure principle, is very powerful because it is primary (in evolutionary terms) and it always threatens to undermine the structure of thinking that derives from consciousness, because we experience it as a yearning for certainty (the expression of the pleasure principle).

This point, by the way, relates to the fact that our lived experience of brain activity is feelings.

Thus, the religious response is to go for certainty and the mechanism designed to undermine any attempt to resist that and maintain a capacity to face and explore reality, is to require an attitude of ‘faith’. In other words, I’m defining faith as a mechanism that closes down the reality principle and restores the pleasure principle.

Science, on the other hand, represents a mechanism designed to shore up the reality principle by defining a protocol that I have called, ‘what’s (really) going on here?’ This is the fundamental activity of the curiosity drive, and it is the process the first triggers the move from pleasure principle to reality principle in the developing baby.

So, the scientific method encourages us to doubt our first ‘explanations’ and, instead, to test them in the most objective (i.e. dispassionate) way we can. The religious method is to encourage us to ‘have faith in’ that first ‘explanation’.

There is no reason why religious beliefs cannot be subject to the ‘testing’, which is, after all, the method of the reality principle, except for the resistance of those who propagate and proselytise those beliefs, because they ‘re-frame’ the wish to test them as an assault of ‘faith’.  Of course, it is. The problem for ordinary people (by which I included all of us) is that the shadow side of the way our conscious mind has been developed – through the activity of the curiosity drive – is that we expect a meaning for everything and this reinforces a tendency towards expecting a teacher who can give us that meaning, so we are unconsciously ‘yearning’ (that word again, and for the same reason) for an ‘explainer’. Therefore, the injunction, ‘don’t question my explanation’ is accepted without question (i.e. without the stimulation of the curiosity to understand why someone would not want you to question*). The requirement by religions to ‘have faith’ is, therefore, always the indication that this system is opposed to the reality principle and all that follows from that. We can see it as an indication of an attack on thinking.

So, the main point of this blog is to reach the question as to how the ‘scientific’ approach should address the ‘religious’ one. I’m sorry if my answer comes as a disappointment. It is this: don’t bother. There is no point whatsoever in arguing with someone who has ‘faith’ because they experience argument simply as the devil/unbelievers/enemies testing their faith. Nothing so builds a commitment to faith than this sort of attack on it. Arguing with people of faith is pointless.

So, if we accept that those who are propagating such beliefs won’t change them (see Festinger’s studies of such phenomena, by the way), but that such arguments will only make them hold the more strongly to them, what do we do about the propagation of such beliefs?

The answer is, we talk to those who are being assaulted by the beliefs; our approach should be not to engage in debate with people who do not allow debate (because debate is identical with an assault on ‘faith’), instead, to address those who are being encouraged to accept these beliefs, particularly the version of ‘faith’ that is designed to deny debate. We talk to our fellow human beings about the dangers we perceive to be consequent upon the acceptance of these restrictions on our uniquely human capacity to think.

I have described this distinction so that we can turn our attention to the extremely unpleasant arena of gender identity politics. This is because I would say that it is strikingly clear that the test for whether those who are pushing the attitudes that lead to the accusations of ‘trans-phobia’ are manufacturing a religion. Trans-phobia is simply a modern version of the more familiar ‘blasphemer’, where the definition of a blasphemer is that he/she is daring to challenge the precepts of a specific faith.

I intend to write more blogs on this topic because I’m concerned to protect people who might be hurt by being drawn into what are essentially cults. My next blog is aimed at a specific audience, those bodies that register or employ psychotherapists, because a large number have walked, unquestioningly into a very serious error. By signing up to an expression of the gender-identity belief system, they have instantly undermined the basic approach of their own psychodynamic and psychoanalytic members by requiring them to endorse certain of their clients initial expressions about their identity, rather than seeking to enquire into the below the surface origins of these ideas.

* Not everything that is called a religion began as one. The Buddha was very clear in his instruction to his followers NOT simply to accept what he was saying but to find out for themselves.

13 Comments

  1. Anne Bonny on August 14, 2021 at 12:16 pm

    Thank you and welcome to the war on women and children!

    • JohnAllman.UK on August 14, 2021 at 9:49 pm

      … and men.

      • Mick on August 16, 2021 at 1:45 am

        Well, pretty much everyone.

  2. Peaky Bee on August 14, 2021 at 12:59 pm

    A religion is exactly what it is. But unlike religion, it necessarily involves the erasure of sex and sex based attraction and the dereliction of duty to safeguard children. The authoritarian bent of the “no debate” vitriol is supported by our justice system, political parties, celebrities and charities. As a society we should be very worried.

  3. Adhib on August 14, 2021 at 1:37 pm

    Good points, within the frame you chose. There is also a historical aspect to this. The ‘end of history’ in the 90s has given rise to a generation of governing class who succeed or fail on the strength of their ability to harvest legitimacy from particular sorts of client groups, around the back of democracy (which has been largely defunct and discredited). So the recourse to fixed mantras and ‘correctness’ maps to a historical moment in which democracy atrophied.

  4. Gassenhauer on August 14, 2021 at 5:09 pm

    Interesting article, and I would agree that the gender movement is highly cult like. However, as a pro-science Christian I have to disagree with your view point on religion more generally, which I think makes a straw-man out of it by only attacking the worst of what it can be. For me, Christianity endorses the idea that there is a discoverable reality which can be explored and described through scientific endeavour, as well as an undiscoverable reality that can only be known through Devine revelation. The latter lets us know that the former is created, and is therefore objective and unchangeable. Gender ideologues believe that there is no objective reality, only discourse, so re-describing reality will change it. They therefore believe that they can do away categories of ‘male’ and ‘female’ bodies, which they see as a mechanism for oppression, through forcing changes in our language. The slogan ‘Trans-rights are human rights,’ is the disingenuous Trojan horse which unlimitedly contains this potentially catastrophic social experiment. Since the enlightenment, science and religion have come to regard each other as enemies, and become siloed from each other, but perhaps as this new foe enters the arena (which is both anti-science and anti-religion), they will discover that they are far more useful to each other than they ever understood before.

    • Dana on August 14, 2021 at 5:27 pm

      Declaring material reality “unchangeable” is a bizarre take given how much actual change goes on in material reality. It’s true enough mammals can’t change sex: if we could, we’d just do it, like losing a baby tooth or going through puberty. But that doesn’t mean nothing ever changes. So much MOVEMENT goes on in material reality, in fact — most of it we can’t even see.

      • Sandy on August 14, 2021 at 5:43 pm

        I think he means unchangeable via an act of pure psychic will power, akin to the transubstantiation of turning Christ’s body into bread and wine.

      • Gassenhauer on August 15, 2021 at 8:20 am

        Maybe ‘unchangeable’ was a poor choice of word, perhaps “governed by laws” would have been better.

    • Naomi on August 15, 2021 at 2:53 pm

      I agree. The worst of religion shuts down explanation and panders to the human need for certainty and self reliance, but St Paul’s injunction ‘not to be conformed to the patterns of this world but be transformed by the renewing of your mind’ seems to me to be a clear invitation to think and be open to thoughts outside our own normatives! I have often thought that one of the reasons God names his people ‘Israel’, meaning ‘struggle’, was because that’s what we do and need to do as humans- struggle and wrestle with questions, paradoxes, life’s pain and joy- rather than resort to empty platitudes. Real faith is not blind- it is worked at through experience.
      Regarding the whole question of gender identity, I have not thought about it in those terms before- as like a cult. As the child of a holocaust survivor, I know that where questionning or dissenting voices are silenced, on any subject at all, this is supremely dangerous for any democracy and I do believe we are extremely close to that state now. I worry very much indeed for the harm potentially being done to people, especially the young, through unquestionning adoption of this gender ideology without evidence, discussion and challenge. It is potentially abusive (as religious bigotry can be), and the sudden explosion in numbers alone of those self defining as Trans, when studies have shown a very low and steady percentage in the past, should make us suspicious that there is some other factor at work here and we would do well to explore it and be curious as Philip S suggests.

  5. Alison Wren on August 15, 2021 at 7:37 pm

    The scientific methods is not applicable in faith based beliefs. As a practising Christian as well as a scientist I maintain they are totally different paradigms. Whereas gender ideology actually denies the reality of the sexed, and unchangeable in mammals and birds, body. Gender ideology is a malicious cult with links to both Big Pharma and trans humanism, and I fight it with every last breath of my body and mind. For Christians it is an extreme example of the Gnostic heresy which maintains there is a separate “ gendered soul” outside of material reality. It is desperately scary, not least because anyone who opposes its incursion into all our institutions is bullied and deprived of their jobs etc.

  6. linn e gee on August 19, 2021 at 5:22 am

    The Dhalai Llama, said.
    “The Only True Religion consists of having having a good Heart”
    Rimproche and The Buddha are eternally correct.
    ‘ test all things in patient hope of finding enlightenment that gives you growth ‘ https://responsiveuniverse.me/2017/02/18/i-believe-the-only-true-religion-consists-of-having-a-good-heart-the-dalai-lama/

  7. Demigourd on September 9, 2021 at 12:40 pm

    Jordan Peterson beat you to it. Wrapping bland reactionary talking points in psychoanalytic language is so 2016.

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